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One more thing if I may....I think we better all s...

2008-09-13T19:32:00.000-05:00

One more thing if I may....
I think we better all start ignoring her. All this attention she is getting is killing Obama. We need to focus on McCain and give her no more of our energy.

Though, yes, I'm a confessed political junkie, the...

2008-09-11T08:51:00.000-05:00

Though, yes, I'm a confessed political junkie, the mud slinging really is awful, Hudd. Both campaigns seemed to do a pretty decent job of keeping things someone on the issues...until Sarah Palin's speech at the RNC, when all of that was blown. It got ugly pretty quickly from there and I imagine it's not going to get much better until it's over. *sigh*

The thing I really hate about politics is the mud ...

2008-09-10T17:30:00.000-05:00

The thing I really hate about politics is the mud slinging crap that is going on right now. Gosh, why can't everyone just say what they have done, what they *want* to do and why we should vote for them. The "he said, she said, but it was when he/she was just an average joe, but we'll dig it up anyway thanks to media" stuff gets annoying.

But, I know you are way more into this stuff than me. :)

Anyway, my hubby was for Hillary. Now he is for Obama. The other day he said he thinks it was a good thing that McCain chose Palin. I asked why, he said because she is a woman. So, do you feel that's good for McCain? Or good for Obama? Gosh, I never got a straight answer out of him. I do feel he thinks women will vote for McCain just because he chose a woman as a running mate. Probably some will. But, I feel exactly as you.. I will not vote for her because she is a woman, I plan on voting for the PERSON I want in the role.

I can honestly say I had NO CLUE who that woman was before she was selected as a VP candidate. And frankly, from what I've seen...I don't care for her...not one little bit!

Here here!Very well written! And I couldn't agree...

2008-09-09T09:26:00.000-05:00

Here here!

Very well written! And I couldn't agree more.

Hello, my Whole Foods twin! :-)We are also Sarah P...

2008-09-09T01:20:00.000-05:00

Hello, my Whole Foods twin! :-)

We are also Sarah Palin twins, I see. You said it best, my stomach turned during her RNC speech.

Crystal, the speech is what did me in, too.PM, dis...

2008-09-08T22:12:00.000-05:00

Crystal, the speech is what did me in, too.

PM, discombobulating does sum it up nicely!

KimmyK, boobs = boobs...except when the bra doesn't fit? *grin*

Dana, I'm off to read the Alaska mudflats blog...

MamaBird, I'm not sure how brave I am. If I were really brave, I'd rant and rave and not try to logically think this thing through. Because ranting and raving about this is what I'm dying to do... And yes, yes. It needs to be the right man or woman!

You are brave. And you said it perfectly. It's not...

2008-09-08T20:43:00.000-05:00

You are brave. And you said it perfectly. It's not enough to have a woman in the job. Or a man in the job. It needs to be the right woman or the right man.

Umm, I have to admit I'm a little obsessed too. Ah...

2008-09-08T16:37:00.000-05:00

Umm, I have to admit I'm a little obsessed too. Ahem. Tell me you also found the Alaskan mudflats blog??? If not, you're in for a treat.

Great post. And I do see the point your friend e is making. I do. But I look at it a different way.

You wrote: "In my view, to support a woman simply because she is a woman, actually hurts 'the cause'."

In my opinion, the glass ceiling *can't* be shattered by supporting a woman whose very politics, policies, and viewpoint will actually result in the erosion of women's rights (and the rights of minorities).

Thinking of it another way, perhaps the glass ceiling would be broken for *that particular woman* (Palin, Rice, Day, etc) but for very few others.

I so agree. And the thing of it is that part of m...

2008-09-08T14:32:00.000-05:00

I so agree. And the thing of it is that part of me is just happy that Bush is out and McCain was one of the few Rep I liked (in the past, LOL). Now... Palin just doesn't feel right and I'll admit it is a little bit of everything that just rubs me the wrong way. AND I voted for Hillary all the way so if boobs=boobs I went there, LOL. Sorry, V, that was too funny.

i find her discombobulating in so many ways. this...

2008-09-08T12:03:00.000-05:00

i find her discombobulating in so many ways. this was a great post.

Thanks, Stephanie -- I'll definitely listen this a...

2008-09-08T11:12:00.000-05:00

Thanks, Stephanie -- I'll definitely listen this afternoon or tonight.

Hey Jen and everyone interested, I just caught th...

2008-09-08T10:06:00.000-05:00

Hey Jen and everyone interested, I just caught the last 20 minutes of On Point, an NPR radio call-in show. The topic was the women of '08 and the renewed discussions of feminism surrounding Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin, the prospective first ladies, and other powerful women. I thought it was a good discussion. (Better than the pre-show blurb on the website makes it sound.)

Once the audio is available on-line (after about 3 pm today), I'm going to listen to the part I missed. You can check it out here:
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2008/09/the-women-of-08/

Stephanie

Yes, yes, yes. I so agree with you. I would like ...

2008-09-08T08:41:00.000-05:00

Yes, yes, yes. I so agree with you. I would like to say that I support her as a powerful woman doing an amazing thing. I clearly still would not vote for her just because she does not have the same values as I do, but I would like to say that I support her. But after her speech, sneers, slights and sarcasm, I simply do not respect her. The last thing we need elected to office this year is another person I simply cannot respect.

Suzanne! It's nice to see you here. Sadly, I'll ...

2008-09-07T22:03:00.000-05:00

Suzanne! It's nice to see you here. Sadly, I'll be right there with you and the high blood pressure. It's just too much to process, sometimes...

V, woohoo! Way to cut your holiday obligations by 1/3! *grin*

Amy, mean is exactly the word I used after her speech. She was an 8th grade mean girl. And I don't go for mean.

Steph, I've had dreams about her, too. Yikes! is right!

Aliki, I loved the links on your blog about SP. The first one especially resonated with me. Deeply troubled is how I've felt too. Truly. :(

Adrian, it's lowered my opinion of McCain as well. It makes me question his judgement...and/or wonder just who is running his campaign??

amers, the bully does always seem to have a crowd around her. WHY??? *sigh*

e, I get what you're saying. Can we split the dif...

2008-09-07T21:59:00.000-05:00

e, I get what you're saying. Can we split the difference and agree that what we need is "more women , good women, mediocre women, liberal women, conservative women..." but skip the annoying women? *weak grin*. I don't find SP annoying -- I'd have to "know" her much better than I do now to use the term annoying. But I do find her frightening. And I don't use *that* term loosely. The next two months will be interesting, that is for certain.

you put it all so well.i have used the words sarah...

2008-09-07T21:20:00.000-05:00

you put it all so well.
i have used the words sarah palin and bully a lot this week - more than i would like to of a vp nominee.

i agree the the obama-biden team is definitely taking the high road and i think if they keep sticking to the issues at hand (and there are more issues for the people of this country on a daily basis) that this will fall into place.

on the other side of the coin, though, the bully always seems to have a crowd around her. middle school, high school, work place and now the campaign trail.

the next 57 days will definitely intriguing.

What a great post. Very thoughtful and I agree 10...

2008-09-07T20:20:00.000-05:00

What a great post. Very thoughtful and I agree 100%. I think the other side of the coin is that it lowers my opinion of McCain for making such an insane decision as to select her.

A Vice Presidential candidate is supposed to enhance the ticket, not bring it to a screeching halt. I think he's made a long line of very bad decisions in this campaign and that scares me. Obama has had a few small misteps, but nothing on the scale of a mess like this. Having someone with this little experience a heartbeat away from the Presidency is a potentially harmful decision IMHO.

Yes--you have articulated SO very well what I've b...

2008-09-07T20:13:00.000-05:00

Yes--you have articulated SO very well what I've been bothered by--that closing down of all conversations. I am deeply troubled by it all. I posted two links on my blog today for op-ed pieces in Literary Mama--just to add these to your Palin reading list.

Yeeeahh, the first part of your post: Me too! (I...

2008-09-07T19:59:00.000-05:00

Yeeeahh, the first part of your post: Me too! (I knew it was out of control when I couldn't sleep due to obsessing about the conventions and when I did sleep, I dreamed about Palin. Yikes!)

I totally agree with your assessment about her too. I have to wonder if she was really putting "Country First" by agreeing to be on the ticket. Does she honestly think she'd make the best VP at this time? Given her paltry national and foreign affairs experience, her very short time as Governor (If Alaskans like her so much, don't they want to keep her?), and, yes, maybe even her family challenges, I wonder that she didn't say, "Thanks, but no thanks!"

Though I know it was a speech writer who gave us h...

2008-09-07T19:42:00.001-05:00

Though I know it was a speech writer who gave us her words last week... she just comes across to me as mean. I don't think that's an image I want for our country that is already of poor standing in the world, currently. I don't like the idea of voting for a woman just because she's a woman if she isn't a good candidate and I don't think she is.

And I also don't like the idea that the VP is hired just to smear. I haven't seen a ton of smearing from the Obama camp and what I have seen has been much more truthful and pointing out differences than exaggerations or outright lies. I still think they are on a much higher road and I really respect that.

Though I know it was a speech writer who gave us h...

2008-09-07T19:42:00.000-05:00

My conservative, Republican MIL once quipped that ...

2008-09-07T19:09:00.000-05:00

My conservative, Republican MIL once quipped that Obama had "all the blacks" because of his skin color... to which I calmly (ha!) noted that if that (insane) theory held true, my MIL (an elected Republican of a small conservative town) should have been throwing her support behind Hil.

"'Cause, you know, she has boobs and so do you".

I may not be invited to Christmas dinner. Woot!

Fair enough. Believe me I will work to defeat her...

2008-09-07T19:03:00.000-05:00

Fair enough. Believe me I will work to defeat her and her ticket.
But our side pokes fun too....remember the McCain house jokes, or the revised Giuliani jokes with a noun and a verb and POW in every sentence?
Biden was hired, at least in part, for the old fashioned veep attacking the top of the other ticket politics. So was Palin.
What I want are more women , good women, mediocre women, liberal women, conservative women, and annoying women.
There is already critical mass of all kinds of men, some easily more worthy than others. I think we need a critical mass too. Until we get it women will continue to be held to these impossibly higher standards. We need some goofballs that will make the good ones look great. I think that is a secret the guys have. Giuliani makes Huckabee look good, you know?

I don't know how I'm going to last until November ...

2008-09-07T18:59:00.000-05:00

I don't know how I'm going to last until November -- my blood pressure goes up even when I read an article about Palin, let alone hear her speak....